Now that we understand QED better, let us return to the problem of ultraviolet diverging loop integrals in quantum gravity.
What kind of a material has a Green's function which diverges very easily? The Fourier decomposition should have large terms for large |k|?
#
#========= sharp hammer
v
_____ _____ "limp"
\/ rubber membrane
Let us have a "limp" rubber membrane whose elastic energy grows slower than quadratic. The force resisting stretching is sublinear.
Let us hit the membrane with a sharp hammer. That will produce a very deep pit. In the Fourier decomposition, there will be lots of waves with a large |k|.
Such a classical system, of course, does not produce infinite waves or an infinite energy. Hammers are always blunt. Destructive interference very efficiently wipes out high |k|.
What is the analogy for gravity? We should have an attraction between gravitons, or waves in the limp rubber membrane.
If the elastic energy is quadratic, or the force resisting stretching is linear, then waves in the membrane do not interact. The wave equation is linear.
In a limp rubber membrane, waves can help each other to get to a lower energy state by interference. The energy of constructive interference is less than in the linear case. There is an attractive force between wave packets.
Let us place weights on the membrane. Together they can lower themselves to a lower vertical position than in the linear case. This is like the steepening gravity potential in general relativity.
We found a pretty good model for gravity, and for other fields which are prone to ultraviolet divergences. Let us study how this classical model avoids divergences.
We do not need to place weights on the rubber membrane? The limpness is enough
___ ____ ____ membrane
\•/ \•/
weight weight
---------------------------------
Earth
Actually, it might be that we do not need weights at all in this model. If particles are waves stretching the membrane, and a wave can get to a lower energy state by entering an area where the membrane is stretched more, then we have an attractive force. This makes the model much simpler and more beautiful.
The speed of waves is slower in a stretched part of the membrane, because it is "limper". That makes waves to turn toward the stretched parts, just like in gravity.
Avoiding divergences with classical fields
Energy and momentum must be conserved. Or the classical fields suffer from singularities. It is about the existence of solutions.
A real-world system, like a rubber membrane, can approximate a classical field. However, there is a cut-off at the scale of atoms. Energy conservation is guaranteed for these approximate solutions.
Ultraviolet divergent Feynman integral behave really badly: they break energy conservation even if we impose a relatively modest cutoff. Thus, the divergence in Feynman integrals is a crude error, which does not happen in a classical system.
Suppose that we allow point charges in the classical model. The classical field energy of the electron is then infinite. Maybe this can lead to infinities in classical scattering experiments?
A positron falling into an electron would generate an infinite energy. The energy would be radiated away as the positron spirals into the electron. We have to ban phenomena like this. Then the classical approximation (with a cut-off) will behave well and conserve energy. There are no ultraviolet divergences.
Graviton Feynman diagrams
graviton ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
| graviton
graviton ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Does a Feynman diagram like the above make sense?
A graviton turns toward another because the speed of waves is slower there. Is it natural to model this as a force? Yes. The force in electromagnetism can be understood to come from the field energy. A force tries to reduce the field energy.
The electron and the positron behave like point charges in scattering experiments. It is likely that gravitons behave like point particles, too. But the wave description of a graviton or an electron is a wave, not a point particle.
A wave packet, which is far away from other wave packets, does behave like a particle.
The classical field model has to be augmented with point particles? Feynman diagrams do not contain particles, but plane waves.
Let us try to do with the wave model. In many cases, we can simulate a point particle with a wave packet.
The gravity attraction is steeper than the Coulomb force. The Green's function of the graviton must contain more high |k| than the photon Green's function. This agrees with our limp rubber membrane model.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ graviton
| | |
| |~~~| gravitons
| | |
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ graviton
--> t
According to literature, a Feynman integral with two graviton loops ultraviolet diverges. Above we have three loops. Let us try to interpret what the diagram is supposed to calculate.
It is a collision of two gravitons. The diagram tries to calculate a correction to the simplest tree diagram. Any 4-momentum can circulate in any loop of the diagram. The coupling constant at the vertices contains the mass-energy of one of the three gravitons, but which one?
The coupling in gravity
A brief Internet search says that graviton-graviton coupling is an "active field of research".
What is the problem?
In this blog we tentatively proved in May 2024 that general relativity does not have solutions for any "dynamic" system. But let us forget that for a while.
If we have two gravitational wave packets flying at a large distance from each other, then their coupling, presumably, is the newtonian gravity interaction.
In QED, we believe that photons can collide and produce electron-positron pairs. That is, electrons scatter like point particles.
If gravitons are like photons, then they behave like point particles. If we let two extremely large energy gravitons meet, they will in rare cases scatter to a large angle. Does general relativity predict this for classical wave packets? A packet has a much larger extension than a point particle.
Let f be a small perturbation of the flat Minkowski metric η. A perturbation to the linear wave equation might depend on the square of f, or the square of its (second) derivative.
Let us shoot two gravitons head-on, so that they will meet at a perpendicular area A. How does f change if we make A four times larger? The perturbation will be a half, and its square 1/4.
This fits the fact that the fuzzy gravitational wave packets attract each other. But does the perturbation reproduce the behavior of pointlike gravitons which attract each other?
General relativity already includes all the quantum effects? Probably not
The perturbation in the preceding section probably sends parts of waves to every direction. This fits the pointlike particle behavior. Does general relativity already include the point particle model?
Using Huygens's principle may resolve this? The Feynman path integral is a form of Huygens's principle.
The "hammer" in Huygens's principle is sharp. It is like a point particle.
gravitational wave packet
~~~ --->
<--- ~~~
gravitational wave packet
Let us first look at two gravitational wave packets passing each other at a large distance. The packets attract each other. If general relativity calculates this wave phenomenon correctly, the paths of the wave packets will bend according to laws of gravity.
If we would be looking at QED, and the wave packets would describe an electron and a positron, then we would need the electromagnetic field to model the attraction. But for gravity, the attraction must be handled by the field itself.
Electromagnetism adds nonlinearity to the Dirac field. Gravity itself is nonlinear.
---> <---
~~~ ~~~
very strong gravitational
wave packets
Let us shoot very strong gravitational wave packets head-on at each other. Both contain a huge number of gravitons. If general relativity is correct, it will calculate the scattering of the waves. Could quantum mechanics calculate a different result in this case?
If we, in the particle model, imagine the wave packets as swarms of N gravitons, the scattered flux to a large angle grows as
~ N².
The formula might be the same for the scattering of gravitational waves. We have to analyze it with Huygens's principle.
Electrodynamics describes the behavior of electromagnetic waves very well. The quantum description of the waves is identical to the classical field.
Absorbtion and emission of energy in units of
E = h f
is a separate rule which we glue on top of the classical field.
In the past two months we saw that the vertex correction and vacuum polarization can be interpreted as classical effects.
A weak gravitational wave may contain just a single graviton. Its behavior would be like an electromagnetic wave of a single photon.
Nonlinearity of general relativity may come from vacuum polarization, or replace vacuum polarization. In QED, vacuum polarization makes electromagnetic waves nonlinear.
A brief Internet search reveals that the scattering of gravitational waves from each other is not known well in general relativity, unfortunately.
See below the section about dividing a gravitational wave into gravitons. It shows that general relativity probably does not include all quantum effects, e.g., Compton-like scattering.
What is the gravity field of matter in a quantum superposition?
This is a classical question. We can now present a solution. A weak gravitational wave packet is a single graviton in a quantum superposition. The energy in the graviton can be absorbed at different locations, with some probability density.
What is the gravity field of a gravitational wave packet like? Far away, it is like the gravity field of any matter located at the position of the wave. Close or inside the wave, the "gravity field" is the wave itself. The wave can "collapse". The square of the amplitude of the wave tells us the probability of it collapsing to a certain location, and releasing its energy.
The question is analogous to asking: what is the electromagnetic field of a single photon like?
What is the gravitational field of Schrödinger's cat? The cat can stand, or lie flat on the floor of the box.
This is analogous to the question: what is the electric field of an electron like if the electron is in a superposition state? Far away, the electric field of the electron is essentially classical. But near the electron, the system is a quantum system, and its electric field is subject to how we measure it. There is no single classical field. The field is in a superposition, too.
In the case of the cat, the gravity field is macroscopic. The environment contains masses which "measure" the field continuously. We can assume that the field "collapses" immediately. The cat no longer is in a superposition state.
Certain authors have speculated that gravity mysteriously makes quantum mechanical wave functions to "collapse". Our view is that it does not do that. The electric field of the electron does not make the wave function of the electron to collapse.
But if the gravity field of an object is macroscopic, then we can treat the wave function as collapsed – just like we do for any macroscopic system.
Schrödinger's cat really is in a superposition state, but we can treat the system as if the wave function would have collapsed already.
Can we divide an energetic gravity wave into gravitons which scatter from each other and from matter? Probably yes
If we have a swarm of electrons colliding with a swarm of positrons, then the scattering reveals the "granularity" of the electron and positron fluxes. A small number will scatter to large angles. Electric charge allows us to count exactly the number of particles in each swarm.
But the number of photons in an energetic wave is not a clear concept. A wave packet contains various frequencies. We probably can "mine" the energy content of a wave and absorb various collections of photons from it. The collection of photons depends on the absorbing device.
If two electromagnetic wave packets collide, how do we determine their photon content?
If the waves are coherent, then we maybe can safely assume that they contain photons whose energy is h f?
The same questions concern gravitons. If we want to calculate the mutual scattering of two gravitational waves, how do we determine their graviton content? From the Fourier decomposition?
Suppose that we have a photon of a huge energy. Then we might treat it as a macroscopic particle. In the Wilson cloud chamber we, actually, see the tracks of almost macroscopic particles.
How do such macroscopic photons scatter from each other? They are very localized wave packets.
Christian Schubert (2024) gives the low-energy cross section as:
and the high-energy cross section:
We see that high-energy photons should behave like very small particles. These formulae have not been verified experimentally.
But Compton scattering has been verified. We know that gamma photons collide with electrons like small billiard balls. If gravity behaves in a similar way, then general relativity is unlikely to describe this billiard ball effect.
Hypothesis. High-energy gravitons behave like high-energy photons. General relativity does not cover their billiard-ball-like behavior.
If a graviton has a mass of 10²⁶ kg, then its Schwarzschild radius is 15 cm, and we could define that its cross section for a "large deflection" of another graviton (> 0.1 radians) is a square meter.
A more realistic high-energy graviton has the mass of an electron, 10⁻³⁰ kg. The cross section is 10⁻¹¹² m².
If we have 1,000 kg of such gravitons, the cross section is
10⁻⁷⁹ m².
That is, negligible!
There still remains a possibility that two gravitons colliding head-on would scatter significantly. If they colliden head-on, we cannot describe their behavior as wave packets which are separate and pass each other without overlapping.
Suppose that nonlinearity in gravity only shows up in very low potentials, close to a black hole, and nonlinearity is
~ |f|²,
where f is the metric perturbation. Then the only place where there could be significant scattering of gravitational waves from other gravitational waves is the place where strong waves are born: in binary black hole mergers. There the problem is to solve the nonlinear equation for the orbiting masses – it is not about scattering.
Scattering of classical gravitational waves is a problem of numerical relativity in black hole mergers. Numerical relativity, presumably, can calculate approximate solutions when large metric changes happen.
LIGO observations show that there is no huge scattering of gravitational waves when they travel 500 million light-years from a black hole merger. Very large scattering would garble the signal observed by LIGO.
If any scattering of gravitons is negligible, then Feynman diagrams describing scattering are a theoretical problem. We still have to explain why divergences do not break physics.
Head-on scattering of gravitons
Suppose that the wave packets describing to gravitons overlap. Then we cannot treat them as classical particles which pass each other.
This is the case where the Feynman diagrams above could become relevant.
We have to look at this.
Making the rubber membrane so limp that loops diverge badly – vacuum polarization in gravity
The limp rubber membrane is a model for an interaction for which the propagator allows a very large amount of high 4-momenta |k| – a "limp" interaction.
k virtual boson
~~~~~~
/ \
------------------------------- particle 1
|
| q virtual boson
|
------------------------------- particle 2
In the diagram above, the virtual bosons represent the very limp interaction. In the virtual boson k loop, there might be a really bad ultraviolet divergence which cannot be renormalized. What would that mean?
Classically, particle 1 makes a very deep pit into the limp rubber. It meets the field of particle 2 and turns a little, absorbing the momentum q. There is no problem in this. No infinite energy is created.
• ------------------------------------ particle 1
|
/ \ k virtual electron-positron
\ / pair
|
| q virtual graviton
|
● ----------------------------------- heavy particle 2
Let us then study vacuum polarization in gravity. We assume that a very limp matter field exists, such that it can easily produce virtual particle pairs with large mass-energies
E, -E.
Classically, we may have a medium, in which polarization is very easy, and grows at a fast pace for stronger fields. For gravity, this would mean that any mass M would spontaneously attract positive masses popping up in empty space, and repel negative masses. A black hole would form, with a zone of negative mass density surrounding it. That sounds nonsensical. At least, we know that it does not happen in nature.
Anyway, something like a diverging Feynman integral can happen in a classical model.
If the matter field is the Dirac field, then the loop would have a propagator factor
1 / |k|²,
and the couplings would add a factor |k|². The loop ultraviolet diverges extremely badly.
Can we somehow appeal to destructive interference which would establish a cut-off?
Let us assume that both particles are so heavy that we can treat them as classical, macroscopic particles. In a Feynman diagram, the momentum exchange q graviton is a time-independent wave of a form
exp(i q • r).
We may assume that this wave fills, e.g., a cubic meter, into which particle 1 enters. Let us assume that particle 2 is static.
In the Feynman model, the wave of particle 1 scatters anywhere in the cubic meter, from the wave q. The scattering is not limited to the vicinity of particle 2. The scattering can happen at any time.
But in the classical model, particle 1 can only scatter with a momentum exchange q, in a narrow region close to particle 2. Furthermore, the momentum exchange q only spans a certain time period Δt. The classical model is dynamic, while the Feynman model is static.
The Feynman diagram depicts a process which can only happen for a short time when particle 1 is close.
We may interpret it as a pair forming "spontaneously", absorbing q from particle 2 and passing q to particle 1.
Is it possible that a pair with a very large |k| takes part in the process?
Let us claim that the approach of particle 1 causally produces the process seen in the Feynman diagram. Unitarity requires that the process is causal.
o spider rotates string
//\\
------------------------------ tense string
Summing Green's functions for the Dirac field. Let us start from the idea of the "spider" on October 12, 2025, hammering the Dirac field. The spider makes the string to rotate into different directions on the left and the right. It accomplishes this by hitting with two special hammers.
The gravity field of particle 2 disturbs the Dirac field. The disturbance can (maybe) be calculated by summing the Green's functions of the Dirac field for each spatial point of the gravity field.
We can imagine a large number of little spiders hammering the Dirac field. In this model it is obvious that large 4-momenta |k| are canceled by destructive interference. The spider hits with two "sharp hammers" simultaneously, but otherwise this is analogous to one sharp hammer hitting a tense rubber membrane. A blunt hammer consists of a large number of sharp hammers. Its hit has destructive interference wiping off high |k|.
Only very close to particle 2 does the gravity field have a large spatial derivative, and we can expect large |k| to be significant there.
Earlier we calculated that the Fourier decomposition of
1 / (x² + 1)
has large frequencies attenuated exponentially. A similar formula probably holds for the 1 / r² gravity field if r ≠ 0.
Exponential attenuation ensures that every Feynman loop integral ultraviolet converges rapidly. Note that an iteration of the process can still lead to a divergence. If one loop severely distorts the Dirac field, then the gravity field is updated a lot, and this update may generate even more distortion of the Dirac field. This would correspond to runaway classical polarization.
The field of particle 1 adds a time-dependent second gravity field to the system. This should not introduce large |k|.
Why does the Feynman diagram calculate an approximation of this (if we use an ultraviolet cut-off)? This is one of the great questions about Feynman diagrams. Why do they work at all?
The time-independent wave q describes the crude form of the gravity field at some radius R from particle 2. It is like one Fourier component of the 1 / r² gravity field.
Note that the wave q does not require that particle 1 passes at the distance R from particle 2. The wave q simulates the effect for particle 1 wherever it passes particle 2. It is in the "momentum space". We no longer need to care about the position of particle 1. Particle 1 will gain the momentum q at a small probability, wherever 1 passes. We could say that the wave q is a "kaleidoscope image" of the 1 / r² field.
The vacuum polarization loop is the hit with two hammers. It is the "typical" Green's function which disturbs the Dirac field at the distance R.
Only those vacuum polarization pairs which transfer momentum to particle 1 contribute to scattering of 1.
wave q crudely describes this:
- - - vacuum polarized
+ + + mass-energy
• ---> v particle 1
R
● particle 2
+ vacuum polarized
- mass-energy
Why does the Feynman integral calculate something which approximates the impact of vacuum polarization?
The Green's function approach is like the sharp hammer constantly hitting the Dirac field, based on the wave q.
Vacuum polarization decreases the field energy of the combined field of particles 1 and 2. In the case of gravity, it makes gravity stronger.
Let us assume that the Compton wavelength of particle 1 is shorter than R, so that we can treat 1 as a somewhat classical particle.
v ≈ c
• ---> particle 1
R
● particle 2
The disturbance which particle 1 causes to the Dirac field close to particle 2 is very crudely R wide and lasts a time R / c. Does this "blunt hammer hit" explain the Feynman integral?
A very crude calculation in QED with an electron passing a proton shows that the "wavelength" of q is
≈ 861 R.
The gravity between an electron and a proton is a
5 * 10⁻⁴⁰
times weaker force. Thus in gravity, the "wavelength" of q is
≈ 2 * 10⁴² R.
On September 19, 2025 we introduced the "Quantum imitation principle". Let us add some magnification factors to it:
Quantum magnification hypothesis. In QED, the Feynman diagram of waves "imitates" the classical process with a
861 X = 2 π / α
"magnification". In the case of gravity, the magnification is 2 * 10⁴² X.
In classical QED mildly relativistic electron scattering from the proton, the minimum distance has to be the classical radius
~ re = 2.8 * 10⁻¹⁵ m
to obtain a momentum change q of the Compton wavelength
~ λe = 2.4 * 10⁻¹² m.
The ratio re / λe is α / (2 π) ≈ 1/861. The "resolution" of quantum mechanics is bad. It has to imitate classical scattering with waves which are very long. In the case of gravity, the waves are hugely long.
Conclusions
We are working toward an intuitive model of vacuum polarization in QED and gravity. In this blog post, we introduced many ideas, like the limp rubber model, and the Quantum magnification hypothesis.
In our next blog post we will try to present the first intuitive model of vacuum polarization.
| q momentum
v gained by e-
v ≈ c
e- • --->
R = distance e- proton+
/ | \
| | | E strong field,
\ | / dense energy
● proton+
The following idea might explain it. When an electron passes a proton, some of the transient and dense energy in the field E between e- and proton+ will repulse the two particles. But if that electric field E energy can escape for a long time to the Dirac field (i.e., a virtual pair), then the energy in E plus the Dirac field will repulse less. That, is the attraction is stronger.
"Long time" means that it is "almost bremsstrahlung", which is absorbed at as the electron e- recedes from the proton+. If |q| is small, then there is very little of this almost-bremsstrahlung.
The Feynman integral difference
Π₂(0) - Π₂(q²)
calculates this almost-bremsstrahlung.
Since our Magnification hypothesis ties the Feynman diagram to the classical electric field E between the electron e- and the proton+, we can study the process also localized in space, semiclassically.
Localized in space, we can appeal to the fact that the Green's functions in the Dirac field created by E, have almost all their high |k| destroyed by destructive interference. This would solve all ultraviolet divergence problems in quantum field theory.